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A Tynedale dilemma
Mar 26th, 2010, 11:31am
 
I have just been checking up on the Northumberland League situation.  The two Tynedale clubs, based in Hexham, face a problem.  Their first team, the Rievers, are relegated to Division 2; but it seems likely that their second team, the Tans, will be promoted to Division 1.  Who will play for which team next season?
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Re: A Tynedale dilemma
Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2010, 6:46pm
 
Well, the 2nd team have earned the right to play in 'the big league' I suppose it depends if the A team will be happy plying their trade in the lower leagues... its a pickle.
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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2010, 2:25am
 
Cute as it would be to have the second team in a higher division than the first team, the club might run into problems when neither team can draft in players from the other to avoid defaulting a board. The league rules would consider the A team "lower" than the B team, so anyone playing regularly for B would become ineligible for A. But the B team couldn't borrow A team players either, because which board would they play on? If 1, 2 or 3, they lose their eligibility for the A team. If 4 or 5, the B team is hardly playing in order of strength.
 
I will propose at the league meeting that all reference to higher and lower divisions be removed from the eligibility rules, and that only the order of teams within each club be taken into account.
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2010, 11:02pm
 
Well, first, I should point out that Tynedale Tans aren't quite there yet: the Morpeth B team could still catch them if they win their 3 remaining matches by large margins.
 
Secondly, it's not just the reference to 'higher' and 'lower' leagues in the NCA rules which would quickly cause problems for the promoted Tynedale Tans in Division 1 when they needed to draft in substitutes from the relegated Tynedale Reivers.  It's also the requirement to play teams in strength order and the fact that, once a player has played on boards 1-3, he/she's tied to that team.
 
There might possibly be a little bit of tautology in section 7 of the NCA league rules, but, if there is, it seems fairly harmless and I'm not sure there's too much to fix.
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:23am
 
A day later - Tynedale Tans cannot now be caught.
 
Final placing:
Div1.  CHAMPIONS - LEAM LANE
RUNNERS UP - MORPETH A
 
RELEGATED - GATESHEAD A and TYNEDALE REIVERS
 
Div. 2 CHAMPIONS - GOSFORTH EMPIRE
RUNNERS UP - TYNEDALE TANS
 
John Wheeler's suggestion :  Both Tynedale teams should be in Division 1.5!!!
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2010, 4:31pm
 
Quote from Jimbob Jones on Apr 1st, 2010, 11:02pm:

Secondly, it's not just the reference to 'higher' and 'lower' leagues in the NCA rules which would quickly cause problems for the promoted Tynedale Tans in Division 1 when they needed to draft in substitutes from the relegated Tynedale Reivers. It's also the requirement to play teams in strength order and the fact that, once a player has played on boards 1-3, he/she's tied to that team.

 
That was exactly my point. The league rules assume that the team playing in the higher division is the higher team, so a Reiver who played once for the Tans would get tied to them. If instead, we said that teams could draft in players based on the order of teams within their club, then the Tans' top boards could play three times on boards 4-5 for the Reivers, as they currently can, despite the Reivers being in a lower division. It's still "play up four times, stay up", but with "up" potentially meaning "in a lower division" Smiley
 
I don't expect this to actually be a problem, because I expect Tynedale's players will more or less swap teams. On paper, the current Tans would be on a hiding to nothing in Division 1, and I don't think Steve Larkin enjoys grossly one-sided matches, given that he is a perennial advocate of restructuring the leagues to reduce them.
 
My proposal would have more of an impact on clubs with two teams in the same division, one of which is clearly stronger than the other (so Jesmond Knights/Rookies and Morpeth B/C). Morpeth B, for example, would better represent Morpeth's second-best available team if they were able to call up reserves from the top of the C team rather than the bottom. If Morpeth C were in a lower division than Morpeth B, there wouldn't be a problem with that - the current rules I think unfairly punish Morpeth B for the fact that there's no longer a 3rd Division to accomodate Morpeth C. Similarly, Jesmond Knights are punished for the fact that the Rookies stayed up last season and will do so again this season.
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2010, 3:34pm
 
I know this is ancient history now guys but, cos I play in Cleveland, I wasn't taking much notice to the goings on up in Northumberland. An interesting dilemma though.
 I'm not familiar with Northumberland's league rules of course but, equally, I can't think of anything in the Cleveland rules which would cover this situation. I'd be interested to know what the outcome was.
 In Cleveland we play five man teams and, when a club has more than one team, we have to nominate our four strongest players to play in the team in the higher division. Maybe this is what would happen in Cleveland then? I.E. at least four members of the relegated team would have to play up in the newly promoted team?
 Curly one!
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